Drugbuyers.com? Gimme a Break.

ROFL !!! I went and read the board. Shame on you AngryPharmacist. That goes ditto for you DrugMonkey.

Almost everyone rants about their job once in a while. Ask any shrink and they will tell you that it's healthy to let off the steam. It's the ones that don't vent that gave rise to the term "going postal".

How many times have we heard on the news, or read in the paper these words: "He was such a quiet neighbor ...."

LOL

DrugMonkey and AngryPharmacist help those of us in the profession deal with the crap. Seriously folks, how often would you keep coming back to read sweet, sunshine and light posts ??? Answer: You wouldn't.

PS ... I like to know where I am on the food chain so when survival of the fittest becomes the rule, I know I won't be one of the first to go. DM and AP assure me almost daily, that there are people out there stacked up way below me on said chain. That's a piece of knowledge that I enjoy having.

Oh, this is funny stuff. Here's a newsflash girly-docs only get about 6 months of pharmacology. I know this because two of my close friends are physicians who call me often to ask questions about crap they didn't learn in school. I on the other hand had 3 years of physio and pathophysio. Why didn't I go to medical school, you ask? I didn't want to peer into the depths of someone's coochie or search their flesh folds for hidden ulcers. But, please, go around telling people that bad cramps=endometriosis=have a baby and you'll be cured!

Fabulous. Simply awesome.

Ya, the Angry Pharmacist is judgemental about these people being addicts.... followed promptly by a conversation about how they could sneak narcotics out of the pharmacy in their pockets. They make a great argument! Damn tweakers.

V-fairy,

You'd be surprised what we find in those coochies and flesh folds. It's like looking under the sofa cushions for loose change. Some people actually use their hoohoo as a discreet storage device- no one would ever think of stealing from it, right?

I don't think the junkies will be able to comprehend your blog.

In response to some of the posters who wonder if their personal pharmacist thinks that way of them....YES, we all do. Every time you call and request an early refill with another lame excuse, we roll our eyes. Every time you waltz into the pharmacy without a care to pick up your Oxycontin for SEVERE pain, we judge you and talk about you after you leave. Believe that.

Your a fucking dick...get your facts str8 or shut up bitch! You sure your not a "junkie"? you seem to know soo much about DB.com and the people there. Just to get your facts str8 (and you should know this) you cannot get a schedule 2 med from an online or edoctor

Well, I'm a member over there and at first, i found your tone pretty irksome. However after reading on, you are largely on track with your comments. However, it's completely unfair to say all people over there are junkies or anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that there are some folks who use online services for the convenience and not all OP users are trying to get hydro or anything of the sort.

There's a lot of questions if you look long enough about people trying to find cheaper items internationally.

To that end, it's truly a shame that folks come in and try to scam you all. It's a shame you get lied to. It's a shame about a lot of similar problems and I'm not condoning them. But note AP, I'm not flaming you nor am I concealing who I am or anything of the sort. I'm actually kind of glad I came across your blog, it is pretty interesting overall even if hyou're only 98% correct about some of your material ;-)

Hey Bill: You're an idiot.

Oh, and since I fully suspect you don�t have the guts to post any negative feedback on your site, I�ve taken the liberty of posting your little screed on alt.support.chronic-pain newsgroup along with my response.

"...who else buys their fucking pain medications from an "online" doctor and an "online" pharmacy"

How about chronic pain patients who can't get adequate pain relief because their doctors are either chickenshits or selfish pricks. Many, if not most of the people who frequent drugbuyers.com suffer from chronic pain. If you read some of the discussions you'd know that.

The American Pain Foundation estimates that 50 million U.S. citizens suffer from significant pain daily, but only about a quarter of them are getting adequate treatment.

That's because the DEA campaign against prescription drug diversion has stigmatized patients in need of pain medication. DEA intimidation tactics against doctors have created a climate of fear, with the predictable result that many doctors now won't prescribe opiates at all or are only willing to prescribe amounts that are totally inadequate. The DEA is killing chronic pain patients by intimidating their doctors. Many more people die from not having the prescription pain medications they need, than die from the drug abuse the government is trying to prevent.

One of the major causes of those deaths is the overuse of OTC NSAIDS like acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) by people who are desperate for pain relief. The Food and Drug Administration estimates that 200,000 cases of gastric bleeding occur each year, resulting in nearly 20,000 deaths.

Read more at deasucks.com

You are right on the spot with your comments about Drugbuyers.com.

I have been watching that site for years and it's amazing the number of lazy fucks that post all day long about their pain, oh my.....the ER wouldn't give me what I want, etc. etc.

To be nice I'm sure there are a few who are legit but when you see posts like "Where can I get oxy" or "My doctor says I should take 3 Vicodin a day but I need at least 10", Jesus Christ on a bicycle talk about self medicating. Don't they know if the treatment regime doesn't work call or see the doctor and try something else.

Another subject posted that has me rolling on the floor laughing are those fucks that chase down the FedEx or UPS delivery guys looking for their "packages". They post constantly crying about the lack of updates on shippers websites. They call the shipping service centers customer support people every hour on the hour "looking for my package", and when they don't get the answer they want it's "Those fucking assholes at UPS can't find my package".

Keep up the good work, your site is my first read everyday!

Ah yes, *Hear It All The Time* is another great humanitarian.

*the number of lazy fucks that post all day long about their pain*

So, people who are in terrible pain and can't get adequate relief are just *lazy fucks* who don't realize that all they need to do is call their doctor.

Have you been living in a cave the past few years? The DEA's Gestapo tactics have been quite effective in intimidating doctors to the point where millions of people are suffering from severe pain every day. They are not skimming the cream off the top. They have thrown the baby out with the bath water.

*To be nice I'm sure there are a few who are legit*

Oh, how charitable of you to say that. You mean there not ALL junkies and scammers?

*Another subject posted that has me rolling on the floor laughing are those fucks that chase down the FedEx or UPS delivery guys*

If you had any clue about what's it's like to suffer from severe, unrelenting pain every day, then you might understand the anguish that would cause someone to obsess about pain meds to the point where they are posting on message boards *all day* and worrying about when their pain meds were going to arrive.

But I guess as long as it's not you who is suffering you can make fun of those people. You can call them all junkies and scammers. You can cling to your illusions about how easy it is to get proper treatment from a doctor.

You can continue to be ignorant of the tragedy of untreated pain. As long as it's not you who suffers.

But someday it just might be you and if that happens I hope everyone you look to for help shows you exactly the same attitudes that you have displayed here towards others. Others that you really know nothing about.

I am a Nurse that is why I cannot use My real name.
Sorry I agree with Bill
The Fda and Dea constantly
go after the weakest to
Justify thier existance
They have recently
taken on Docters and Pharmacist people in a
position to help and speak
out for patient rights
and thier job is not longitivy thier job is
quility of life. I am
not in pain but I hope if
I were some one would help
me.

i've had two golf ball sized cyst's removed from my sinus's.(two seperate occasions) i looked into drugbuyers. i don't consider myself a druggy fuck. i thought i would die from the pain.my only argument is this. my doctor would not prescribe medication for pain. i took enough advil to pickle my kidney's. drug buyer's saved my sanity as well as my kidney's.

After reading this article I was kinda pissed cuz of all the shit I read about DB.com, but then I realized it was just some kinda entertainment bs and got over it.

It is kinda funny I guess.

You know....reading all of this makes me so sad. It reminds me over and over again of the emotional pain caused by a few doctors with your same attitude.

I suffer from chronic, unrelenting pain associated with many different syndromes. This is not my fault - I never asked to be sick nor have I caused or brought this on myself. So, not only have I had to endure the physical pain...but the emotional pain caused by medical professionals with attitudes such as yours.

Shame on you, angrypharmacist and your buddies spewing out hateful comments against those you do not know. One day you will have to answer for your actions and words.

Hey JERKOFF ANGRY PHARMACY QUEEN!!!! You ever thought that many people have been to the doctors for there pain? These people have been turned down for pain pills that actually work because the doctor does not want them to become ADDICTED to Vicodin. Or the Dr. is scared to give a prescription for Vicodin for whatever reasons. If you do not believe this happens on a daily basis then you need to do some research. Some people actually NEED stronger pain pills then the Tylenol you can buy at Walgreens. The problem is they cannot get them from there Dr. so they turn to other alternatives. Which is buying them on the internet. It's amazing that you can buy Tylenol 4's OTC in the European countries. But in the wonderful USA, you have a hard time getting a prescription for these. This country is so far behind the other countries in the world of medication. If you are a doctor, who are you to tell me how bad my pain is and what you should prescribe for me? The answer is, you cannot so quit trying. Stronger pain medication should be available OTC. It never will be because then you would not need as many health care workers(cant have loss of jobs in th US). Alot of companies would be out of business. No question that these medications like Vicodin, Tylenol 4's should be made available OTC. Unfortunately to many people's hands are in the pocket so this will never happen.

I don't know if I would go as far as making codeine or especially hydro products available OTC; however sites like drugbuyers.com is an obvious side effect of our crappy healthcare system. There are obviously going to be people that abuse sites like this, but there are more people than many people thank that are using it when their doctors have failed them over and over and over.

I have not ordered pills online yet. I have had 2 spinal surgeries (level 2) and I am still in chronic pain and unable to work or even have a good day. It has been over 2 years now like this and my life is pretty close to hell most of the time.

My doctor keeps trying to lower my meds, but then I always run into a problem by doing something stupid like baby sitting for 4 hours, or driving for 1 hour. My doctor thinks I should be OK now and yet I can't drive a car for more than 7 minutes. I always use up my meds too early because of the flareups. When is this going to stop?

I agree with some of what you said, but until you experience chronic pain... you don't know what you are talking about.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation Ricardo. Have you tried a different Dr.? Dr's are supposed to make the quality of our lives better. To do that they HAVE to listen and not think that every pain patient is just trying to get more meds to get high. Dr's can't feel the pain that you have to live with EVERY SINGLE DAY, so it should be their obligation to give the patients the benefit of the doubt when they say "I am still in terrible pain, this current regiment isn't good enough" and work with them to make their lives better. If that involves giving stronger meds or more of the same med then so be it.

It's nice to see a few take a stand for DB.com and the legite ones..Think I can sum it up with this, What goe's around WILL come back around!!!. So, all of you so called, assholes, running off at the mouth, pretending to know peoples motives for seeking alternative on-line help, you will getr your chance to ride the other side of the track's one day. Then, we can see how you can endure the pain..Oh, but then...those of you PHARMACIST out there, well, I'm sure you will have the means & motive to SELF MEDICATE, ha?...And i'm sure when it comes down on your ass, you will too. So...when it's your turn to suffer, then you can tallk your shit about "drug-seeker's" and shit!!!!!.

I agree with some of the things that you have to say about people buying from online pharmacies. However, I, for one, DO buy meds online from overseas pharmacies, where I don't have to see a doctor. What kind of meds do I buy? Anti-depressants. Why do I buy them online from questionable sources, instead of going to a "real" doctor or a "real" pharmacy? I don't have any health insurance. I have the option of purchasing COBRA for $400+ a month, but frankly, I can't afford that. I am 25 years old, a full time college student, and a full time employee at a medical facility. I don't go to online pharmacies seeking painkillers or controlled anti-anxiety meds, I just want my damn birth control pills and my anti-depressants. That's all. So please keep that in mind when you talk about people buying drugs from OPs. Unfortunately not everyone can afford healthcare (even those of us, like me, who work FULL time). It's just too expensive.

Have you seen Moore's film Sicko? I have used steri strips on myself a number of times when I seriously needed stitches, because I couldn't afford the hospital/ambulance bills. Once when I had an accident and was unconscious, a friend called 911. I was taken to the hospital, roughly ONE MILE away from my house, and seen for a few hours in the ER. I left AMA as soon as I was conscious, but you know what my bill was? $1000 for a one mile ambulance ride, plus another $700+ to be seen in the ER.

Thanks Bill and others who understand. We know that you stupid assholes like Angry Pharmacist talk shit when we leave and call the doctor, blah blah blah because you stand in the middle of a never ending supply which you can (and admit you do) manipulate to self medicate whenever you feel like it. Those of us who suffer and spend much time and money to find a doctor who wants to help us (which you in turn label doctor shopping) just to have you criticize them and spread negative suspicion about them to the pharmacy board thereby pressuring them to not help us resent your pious close mindededness and do wish that you will be treated as we are or better yet have to watch someone you love suffer because of all the propaganda you spent so much time promoting. On second thought, I don't wish this pain and life on anyone innocent of what you are doing, but I do wish you would quit your job today because obviously helping people which should be the first priority of your profession and why you should have chose it in the first place is the furthest thing from your mind. Maybe a Nazi torture squad leader would give you the satisfaction you seem to be searching for. Signed, bitter at prima donna, self righteous, ignorant pharmacists and their so called medical professional or "healer" counterparts

i HATE TO SEE SOMEONE AS CLOSE TO, YET SO FAR FROM THE HARSH REALITIES OF PAIN SUFFERERS. lET ME SET YOU LEG ON FIRE AND GIVE YOU 1 CUP OF WATER...BUT YOU CAN OLY USE 2 TEASPOONS A DAY......WHEN I COME BACKK TOMMOROW AND YOU HAVE A EMPTY CUP i WILL REVILE YOU AS A WATER FREAK! p{EOPLE GET BOUNCED ( THAT OLD MED/SCHOOL/FRATBRO SHUFFLE WHEN THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T HELP YOU BUT WHAT THE HELL...IT' ANOTHER CO'PAY ENOUGH OF THOSE AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO DRIVE LAST YEARS BMW. TSK TSK...SO WHEN EACH DOC GIVES YO 10-12 PISSY LORTABS 5S FOR SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS OXYCONTIN OR SOMETHING STRONGER.. SO YOU GO TO ABOUT 5 OF THESE CO-PAY-PRICKS IN A MONTH AND GUESS WHAT! BAYUM!!!! YOU JUST BECAME A DOCTOR SHOPPER OR A DRUG SEEKER AND ARE NOW GUILTYOF TERRORISM AND DESTRUCTION OF THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. PEOPLE GO TO OCS CAUSE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. PERIOD DAMN PROFFESSIONAL DOCTORS LEFT WITH SCAR TISSUE GROWING LIKE a cancer in my belly for about 12 out of the last 22 years while i was jumping up and down screaming help pain pain !!! they reffered asnd referred so wondrously They and people like you are abominations to a "profession that is falsely charcaterized by cop-massion and caring and has been reorganized around profits, how to not get hassled by some dildo in a suit who thinks he's a cop cause he got sent top accounting school and the FBI was full so he wreaks havoc on all us dangerous OPIOIDATIERS!!! I woulkd gladly trade you may pain so that you could sit and melt down over the moral diemma of whether to r4emain true to your empirical knowledge that drug are bad m'kaaayyy? I hope every disc in you back expands to the size of a bus tire.....just long enough to educate you on what it is like to be an evil doper. Then I hope they return to normal and leave you with no lasting effect. OR BETTER STILL I hope that scarring from surgery enwraps. entraps, embraces like rusty steel the nerves in your belly that enervate you testicles, your belly, the sub femoral crease area and the interact with the deep nerves and you get to experience colon cramps that involve yuour abdominal musculature and leave you literally when thos 12 T3s run out and you can't find any Donnagel PG. YES! That is how long I have lived with this since you could buy parapectolin or Donnagel pG to ease the WDs when your Dopctoe allowed a 230 lb man 1.3 7.5 milligram lorcets a day. Goid you don't know how Woodstockesque it is to actually crapp blood cause the damaged nerves cause such severe involuntary cramping of the saerrous coat of the colon that it actually ruptures blood vessels and you have to make a very embarrassing trip to the ER while judgemental people like you try to GOMER you but fianlly realize that surprise!! You're are real. Try to figure out how to cope with the surgeon who did your last surgery having oprdered exactly 1/2 your presurgical dosage of analgesics and you end up physically threatening nurses in the recovery room because you are so blinded with PAIN-GENERATED RAGE. i LEARNED A LONG TIME not TO TRUST JUDGEMENTAL PHARMACIST (ESPECIALLY YOPUNG FEMAILE WANNBE DOUBLE NOUGHT SPIES PHARMACISTS. I WISH YOU ALL PAIN AND YOUR FAMILY PAIN. BUT UNLIKE US I JUST WANT YOU TO BE A BETTER PERSON BY A SHORT STINT OF IT AND NOT HAVE TO WONDER HOW MUCH LONGER YOU ARE GOINGF TO HAVE TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD LIKE SOME OF US DO=WHEN WE HAVE TO MEASURE WHETHER WE WILL EVEN CARE IF WE LIVE THRU THE DAY BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT MEDICATION TO CONTROL OUR PAIN AND THE STRESS OF DEALING WITH NAZIS LIKE YOU WILL NOT EXCACERBATE IT ANY WORSE. pLEASE FORGIVE TYPOS I CAN'T HOLD MY GRANDCHILD AND MY OPIUM PIPE, CRACK PIPE, HYPO RIG AND TYPE ALL AT THE SAME TIME......