Welfare + Clomid = WTF?

Our store had a guy argue with us one night because his state aid insurance wouldn't cover his Viagra. It was all I could do to not tell him simply "the state doesn't want you breeding" and hang up on him.

Several years ago there was a woman in Dallas who had multiples. Yup, you guessed it, they were a product of fertility drugs and were birthed at the county hospital. He was a waiter, she had to stop working at some point during the pregnancy. They were, you got it, on medicaid. Needless to say, I was enraged. I don't have any yard monsters so why should I support your "right" to have *multiple* kids you can't afford!

Also, some religions make it a moral imperative to reproduce I have to believe that is why some idiots do it.

OK, so this has to be the greatest website for us. I howl when reading some of these entries. My god, at least I know I am not going to hell by myself but I will have some company when I arrive!! Sometimes I feel guilty at how I feel and wonder if other professionals feel this way too or is it just our profession??? I have been doing this for 28 years now and the older I get the angrier I get, it seeems
Enough said about that> ok, so I have the greatest job, right working 8-4:30 M-F no nights, no wknds , no holidays......sure, NOT.............oh yeah, that part is great but I
fill rx's for an infectious disease office.........almost EVERYONE has mcaid/care, very few private insurance. So, these guys have all been taking Viagra, Cialis, Levitra and our wonderful gov't has been paying for them to F___
around and spread more diseases in an already disease ridden overly promiscuous population....
So in rings the new year and whoops, no more govt
subsidized pills so for the last 20 days I have been hearing the same sob story over and over again. WHat do you mean I can't get my Viagra anymore???? What part of NO don't you understand
MF______R. Now these guys got thier meds like clockwork every month and all of a sudden they have to pay for it..................guess what,all of a sudden they are doing without......hmmmmmm, I'll take it if it's free but no way do I HAVE to have it ,if I have to pay for it.
As I listen to my tech tell them their insurance will not pay, I stand in the corner and snicker and say hahahahaha.........I am going to hell!!See you there!!!

My personal philosophy: You go on Medicaid, you get an IUD. Period. You can't support yourself, you can't support a child. If you get a job and your own insurance, the IUD comes out. You lose said job, back in it goes. I have no tolerance for people who think they have a right to have children. If you can take care of them, cool, go ahead and procreate. If not, forget it.

Yup, straight to hell

Ever heard of endometriosis? No course not, youre not a doctor lol.

If a girl had endo, which can be disabiling, I could see her point in trying. 1. sooner the better 2. pregnancy often kicks endos ass. Becoming pregnant used to be the main offerings for treatment but women who have been horribly disabled by endo changed that.

Anyways, mighty pharmacists dont know it all, which is why we have doctors.

It's too bad you're mother did not decide to self abort. The world would be a better, happier place today.

Yah, I can totally relate to your frustration.

I come from Singapore where the older generation civil servants on pension schemes have their healthcare expenditure 100% paid for by the government, with tax payers' money of course.

Irritates me to no end when patients come and collect tons of ketoprofen patch and not pay a single cent for it. What's worse is some of them will go to different consultants asking for half a year's supply from each of them, and then sell their loot to the public for quick cash.

What's equally irritating is when you see people on medicaid drive off in a BMW after refusing to pay their copayments because "they can't afford it."

Fuck that, and fuck you. I fucking hate Massachusetts sometimes, knowing that my fucking taxes are paying for their fucking bullshit. Seriously, what the fuck.

So, people on low income shouldn't be allowed to breed ?

Interesting viewpoint.

There are many differences between pharmacists and physicians: your post and your comments highlight the big ones.

Physicians work as hard as they can to not judge our patients based on race, income, gender, sexual orientation or sexual preferences. We learn NOT to make rash assumptions. We know that the superficial appearance doesn't always tell the whole story.

You've now gone and made pharmacists look like every other whiny, catty, self-rightous, ignorant retail clerk. Congratulations. The more that the general public reads work like this, the faster you'll lose the title of "Most Trusted Profession". I'd never set foot in your pharmacy knowing that you're review prescription histories and make fun of patients this way.

Shame on you.

How about if someone on Medicaid has endometriosis, they do a surrogacy instead of having their own that cannot be taken care of. Provides nice, childless people with a child they can care for, and the girl gets paid (it'll pass for a 9 month job...) :)

First of all not all people who are on medicaid are poor. did you ever think that maybe their jobs don't provide health insurance? My husband works and goes to college full time. He has money. plenty of it. I am on medicaid. And guess what? I am getting clomid. I don't know what state your from but some states cover the presciption. Let me ask you this how much does it cost cash?And why does it bother you? You get your money back at the end of year, taxes."Baby's momma" sounded kind of racist.My husband is white. I am wondering how did someone like you become so cold hearted. how did you get a job as a pharmacist? I guess pharmacist are on the bottom of the food chain when it comes to the doctors point of view. So maybe that is why you are so mad.

I just wanted to say that I have endometriosis and polycystic ovarian syndrome. Let me tell you it hurts. I am currently a full time psych student who is having trouble getting pregnant. I was told that if I didn't get pregnant now I would never have kids. Even a few months wait can destroy my chances because of surgery after surgery to clear out the accumulating tissue so that I can get pregnant causes scar tissue which can lead to infertility in itself. They want to start me on Clomid. I have 2 semesters left of school. Being in school full time doesn't really allow me to work. I tried it. My grades went down and now I am back to a 4.0 student. So needless to say...I am on medicaid until I graduate and can obtain insurance when I start working in this field. So one of you basically said that I should have an IUD because I lost my mom, and am working to better myself, and happened to temporarily need medicaid. Another of you basically said I am less than human and don't deserve help. Thats crap! There are some people that abuse the system, but not all. There are some people who sit on welfare and can help themselves, but not all. So stereotyping such as welfare mothers and baby's mommas are seriosly messed up. You are not doctors. None of you. Obviously those of you are saying whos worthy of medical treatment and children and such became pharmacists because either you weren't smart enough to become doctors, or just made a wise choice in not being in a helping profession because you would basically say a young girl that is on medicaid is not worthy of your help and you let her die because her insurance won't pay you enough, but you help a bitter old lady whos life is almost over because she can pay you faster and more. YOU ARE NOT THE LAW PEOPLE! Oh and the person that said all women on welfare should have an IUD- the only way I agree with that has absolutely nothing to do with medicaid, but rather if they are an Andrea Yates figure who has harmed, is in danger of harming, or such, their children. Then IUD time it is, but other than that, yeah your comment does send you straight to hell, as some of you post. Obviously if you didn't know what you all are doing is wrong, why post it like that.

Doctor X,

Please do not blanket all community pharmacists with your statement. I, and my colleagues, work very hard to maintain a high level of care for our patients (yes, at a Walgreens).

In addition, I have heard physicians make statements much worse than the Angry Pharmacist. No health care profession is beyond reproach when it comes to these types of rants.

I used to have medicade... not because I was a poor, cheap, mother trying to get things for free. My husband and I relocated and upon arriving to our new state, I became very ill. The insurance at his new job hadn't kicked in yet and I needed immediate medical attention and was put on disability.
Maybe you judge people too quickly. Maybe you should have a fucking heart and show some empathy. You don't know everyone's life story so stop acting as if you do. And find a new profession... you shouldn't be in the medical field where compassion should be a requirement. You're a judgemental asshole.

I agree with some of the comments here. I am 42 and 6 years ago I was involved in a car accident that left me in severe, constant and disabling pain. The small lawsuit I got is running out and I pay almost a grand a month for my medications. I quit taking a couple of them because I cant afford them. My oramorph is over $350 a month and I cant find help for that medication. I have been fighting disability for 4 years now (they say I am still young). I am trying to raise 3 children and once the money runs out I will have to move out of state to live with my sister and leave my children with my ex. I do feel like dying now. I loved working, I had 2 wonderful jobs before this accident. So the people that are on disability and welfare when they can get up in the morning and go to work just kill me. I cant get up let alone shower & dressed until I have had at least 2 morphine pills in me. I hope disability approves me soon (so I do not die before that happens), The doctors want to do a spinal cord stimulator to see if that eases my pain. I will try anything to ease my pain so that I can get back out there and support myself. I wish there was a way I could help myself now and get myself better. But deadbeats should be screened and taken off welfare and disability if its proven they can work when people like myself are suffering so severely that suicide looks like the only option......

To those people that said they were going to hell for the comments they made--I say don't sweat it!! You said nothing wrong!!

JMT: Low income people were not the topic of the blog--the specific issue was people on medicaid--there is a difference!

To Dorene: If not all people on medicaid are poor and you have money-- "plenty of it"--then why the FUCK are you on medicaid!! The cash cost for Clomid is about $80 brand and $30 gen in my state--so why, if your are soo well funded am I--Joe Q. Taxpayer--paying for you to get knocked up!! and then I will also be paying for your prenatal and post-natal care, child care--provided that you every get a Fucking job-- well child check ups, sick visits and any other reason that your child may need to be seen. For your information, I DO NOT get even a 1/4 of my taxes paid out in the form of a return and "Baby's Momma" is not a racist comment, it is a comment about crazy ass bitches irrespective of race.

To Allie: Your comments aggitate me because I put myself through college--PharmD, 21 hours of graduate level courses per semester--I worked 2 jobs and maintained a 4.0--Thank you very much!! Enough with the whiney cry baby bullshit--other people have lost parents and loved ones and still work their asses off in order to not be on state assistance.

I have a question for you...Is the man who is attempting to impregnate you employed, or is it just too hard for him to work and sex you up?--better get on medicaid!

Apparently the actual reason for the blog has escaped you--the point was that if you cannot afford to pay for yourself, you should not bring another life into this world for which other people have to pay! PS I was recruited to various medical schools upon completion of pharmacy school. Have you ever entertained the thought that maybe we don't want to be physicians--i.e. not on call, no residency, etc. etc. etc. The pharmacy in which I practice is in a very influential area--most of my patients are MDs, attorneys, nurses, CEOs of hospitals, etc... and the MDs ask me to dose medications for them!!--because they dont have their PDA with them to look it up!

This issue has nothing to do with a patient being able to pay us "enough"--it deals with independence and taking responsibility for -oh my-
YOUR FUCKING SELF!!

By the way this rant was brought to you by not only me, but also via techs at my store--whom do not make a ton of money and do not have healthcare and are all college students and yet--miraculously feel the same way!!

As a nurse, I applaud you JAX for bringing these issues to light. It really pisses me off that there are people out there that do not think about what is required before getting pregnant. A baby deserves dedicated parents with stable finances and health insurance. I worked in high risk obstetrics for almost 4 years, I saw the same women year and year. Why not have babies when taxpayers like us will support them? I have noticed that the poor usually seem to be able to mass procreate without issue. If there is an instance where medical intervention is needed, WE should not be help financially responsible.
I agree with you regarding school. I was married, had two children, worked, and went to college at the same time while maintaining a 4.0. Did I mention that my Dad died of brain cancer while I was doing all of that without the assistance of the taxpayers hard earned money?
Give me a break! Keep up the faith, God knows we need it!
Kimberland

I have been completely shocked by some of these comments. HELLO YOU DON�T KNOW WHAT YOR TALKING ABOUT--people in general are not that informed about drugs. They go to the Doctor, tell them their symptoms and the Doctor prescribes what ever medicine is for those symptoms and sometimes they are very general symptoms. Most of the time people don�t ask for these drugs but they assumed they need them because their doctor prescribed them. People are from all walks of life. The working class is literally worked to death. Most Pharmacists don�t understand this because they have never worked hard labor. A pharmacist stands at a computer, checks drugs and Okays what the pharmacy tech has already done. I am a pre-Pharmacy Student on MEDICAID. I have a 10 year old son and I work very hard to be were I am today. However, if I did not have the governments help I would not be where I am. What is even more amazing is your focus on TAXES. If you really understood how little of your taxes go toward these programs you would SHUT UP. Why don�t you scream about where you taxes actually go. That is, to pay for more profit for oil companies -that�s what the war is all about. The ignorance that I see in these postings is unbelievable. I know it is easy to look at poor people as lazy and not worthy but what you don�t get is that society has made people this poor and they are only looking for relief. We are now at zero population�s growth in the United States. That why we need immigrants because as technology increases the working class is decreasing. Additionally, Pharmaceutical companies are brain washing people into believing their sick. Have you ever laid awake at night and been scared that you where dieing--trust me it is awful. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Maybe all the pharmacist should go talk to the Pharmaceutical companies OH but wait, this is the capitalist class, they have money, so they must be better�OH MY GOD! Think about it, our government doesn�t care for people�s well being. Have you every wondered why they cover these drugs? HMMMMMMMM I bet they have an ulterior motive don�t you!!!

CC,
If you are a REALLY a Pre-pharm student then you need to seriously reconsider your career. Have you ever worked in a pharmacy?

"A pharmacist stands at a computer, checks drugs and Okays what the pharmacy tech has already done."

Those of us who actually DO have pharmacy experience want to slap you at this moment. That comment is as bad as "Why does it take 10 minutes to count some pills and slap a label on a bottle?

Well I see several cleverly disguised Medicaid scumbags logged in to post comments to make themselves feel better. The bums lie to themselves and those around them without end to justify their laziness. Posing as a Dr was really clever, gosh who would ever see through that. Oh and by the way Doc, there are plenty of stupid Docs out there being taken for a ride and taking the taxpayer for a ride too!

First, thank you Angry Pharmacist! Great blog, great rants, and great insight for me into the world of retail pharmacy.

Next, if you can't afford your medications and are going to school, you need to drop out, get a damned job, and pay for the meds you need.

I spent several years of my life working to repay my family's medical debt (none of it my own) out of a sense of duty and honor. Sure, they could have written off the debt, and it never would have affected me financially..... But have some friggin dignity and honor and pay for what you need.

There's a reason they call it "survival of the fittest". If you can't take care of yourself, I don't want to take care of you either.

Sure, I'm an a$$hole for not having compassion for you, but you have MANY opportunities to take care of yourself by working hard and earning money. If it takes two jobs, and all you have time to do is work and sleep, then do it.

Nobody in this country "owes" you any help so that you have "free" time to do fun things, or to pay for you to have a child when you can't afford to take care of yourself.

Got endo and might not be able to have kids later? Too bad!

Since when does "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" involve me paying for your happiness?????????!!

Are you stupid? Welfare and Medicaid are NOT the same. We're not bums. WQe work. Medicaid is to help those who cant afford the high costs of insurance. So you're saying someione who is dissabled and on ssi or welfare or medicaid is a bum?? Get your facts straight dummy. And you shouldnt be a pharmacist.

I agree with the latter, but there are some confusing moments, and when asked who care about who is a fact that survival of the fittest is true

I've seen a patient complain to the pharmacist rather loudly that massachusettes medicaid should cover fertility treatments that the cash price was about $2000 a month for and already had 3 kids of hers, 2 running around and a baby in her arms and she's claiming that she can't afford the copays on the kids meds but has a basket full of candy and junk food. Of course its not right either that the fertility treatments aren't being covered but her husbands viagra is.

For the people bitching about the costs of health care insurance now a days, blame all the ambulance chasing lawyers for part of the costs. They sue just about everyone for huge sums for no good reasons almost all the time. Sure there will be some valid law suits but these 40 million dollar judgments for something the doctor said not to do but you did it anyways and now are filing lawsuits for doesn't help the costs of healthcare. Some how i don't buy 20mil for pain and suffering and 20 mill for the scum sucking attorney cough*John*cough*Edwards*cough

Many of you are just ignorant asshole. I have two jobs and go to school full time, my husband is currently in the nursing program and only has time on the weekends to work. Unfortunately we live in a area that only offers jobs at minimum wage. With us both working it still putes us bellow the poverty line. I have polycystic ovarian syndrome, and every month my chances of having a child decreases. So i guess what your saying is I should never have the chance to have a child, becuase you feel im taking your money to have a child. Im sorry I forgot your a ignorant asshole, who thinks only of yourself. Incase you forgot I also pay taxes, so in a way I look at it as im geting my money back. I know how frustrating it can be to get your check and see half of your money gone to taxes, It makes you mad, and in anger comes ignorance. Not all people are trashy, and live of the system. You know if I could get pregnant with no help we would be able to bring a child into the world with no finacial help. But thats not how it is I have a disease, yes infertility is a disease. It costs a lot, and we need help with the bill at this time in our life because im racing against the clock. Dont start thinking of dum thoughts like how drugs only cost this much and so on and so on, becuase you have no clue until your in our situation. Your not their at the Dr. visit all you see is how much we pay for drugs, but their is alot more to it than just drugs.

I think you should all be ashamed of yourselfs for the comments you've made!!! just because someone has Medicaid doesn't mean that there poor or that they couldn't support children, it simply means they need a little extra help, our government is what makes things so hard anyway , i've payed taxes all my life so why not get some of it back it was mine to begin with. and truthfully these women that are trying to conceive would probably be way better parents that any of you could ever be. is that what you teach your kids to be judgemental, and stuck up because your in a better situation, really from now on think before you speak ask god for forgiveness for wanting to prevent life!! people like ya'll is what makes this country the messed up place it is now, NO MORALS OR FAITH IN GOD.