The FDA obviously hates the public and needs to lay off the crack pipe.

Submitted by a shitpot full of people, the FDA has gotten this wonderful idea to allow people (read: idiots) to buy Rx prescriptions OTC using a kiosk rather than a Doctor to issue the Rx.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/29/fda-may-let-patients-buy-drugs-without-prescriptio/?page=all

The jist of the article (for those too lazy to read it), is that you would go to a kiosk, and via a handy flow chart be able to obtain an Rx for antibiotics (!!) hypertension medication, cholestrol medicine, etc without seeing a doctor.  Your helpful pharmacist would help you from then on out.  Yeah, as if that’s going to magically make you become more compliant.  I’ll get right on that after my job as the vicodin-police, insurance agent, and your personal fucking nanny are done.

Lets take a journal into sarcastic TAP-land:

I think this is a completely fucking great idea!  We all know that Rx medications are completely safe, require no professional monitoring, and can cause no harm to the patient.  I mean who in the fuck cares if your potassium goes through the roof when you’re on an ACE-I, or if you get rhabo while on that statin.  This whole Rx concept is obviously a cartel plot by the medical industry to milk you out of copay money to line the pockets of BMW driving doctors as they light their cigars with your crisp $100 bills gotten from your copays.  Its not like those doctors know any more than the crackhead off the street…..

Shit, this whole idea of people just making shit up at kiosks to get a truckload of antibiotics is such a good idea!  We all know that antibiotic resistance is just a big fucking lie made up by the pharmaceutical industry so they can push their ‘newer’ expensive antibiotics to leech the consumer dry.  In fact, all of medicine is a big fucking lie meant to milk you out of your hard earned cash.  See this MD/PharmD degree? Thats just made up letters that we got from a mail-order school.

Travelling back to real-life common-sense land:

This whole clusterfuck was meant to save the patient money they would have spent seeing a doctor.  Because thats SO MUCH FUCKING LESS than say a hospital admit because your potassium shot up to 12, your kidneys stopped working because you have renal issues and had to get that ACE-I, or because MRSA is eating your face off.  Not to mention the tons of other issues that come with taking A CONTROLLED FUCKING POISON that externally influences certain enzymes and receptors in your body thereby circumventing your body’s own natural regulation pathways.  Oh shit, you didn’t know that most (if not all) drugs did that? Actually I’m sure you probably thought medications were made from unicorn farts that magically made you better.

Here is a fucking great idea, why don’t you use your doctor to DIAGNOSE whats wrong with you, and have the pharmacist PICK OUT THE RIGHT MEDICATION.   I mean we all know that 90% of our time is just faxing the doctor for a drug change because its the insurance company, not your doctor who decides what drug you get.  Tell us whats wrong with you, any lab values that we might find useful, and let US pick out the most effective and affordable drug.  Pharmacists are immune to the drug-rep masturbation, we (for the most part) know our shit, and our ass is on the line with you by default if the shit goes south.  The hard cold fact is that MD’s are good at figuring out whats wrong with you, and WE are good at what drugs to use.  Same coin? Different side? Sound familiar?  Obviously not to the FDA.

If the APhA is all about this, its just more evidence that they are focused at planting new pharmacy trees while the retail pharmacist forest behind them is burning to the ground.  Why are they always ignoring what needs to be fixed in lieu of added work for no added money for us?

Oh, and if you are thinking “Well it works in Mexico”, take a second and think about what happens if you take something and die in Mexico.  Do you get to sue someone? Do you get compensation from the manufacturers? Nope, you get a dirt-nap and a “Oh thats too bad”.

But really, what the fuck do I know.  I just count by 5’s all day while watching Dr Oz and drinking coffee.

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  1. Earl says:

    You know where the unicorns live?

    • Me John Big Tree says:

      Yes, Unicaorns live in communal groups, mainly in the Grogg Highlands, in England. Everyone knows that Unicorns are also made out of rubber. Just ask My Little Pony.

  2. DOCBOB says:

    What a wonderful rage. The system is totally corrupted and broken. I feel your frustration. Why did we bust our asses to learn the science? Why did we bust our asses to stay on the right side of the law? Because it was required to obtain our degrees and positions. And for what? So we could serve uneducated scum baggs and serve under very intelligent (yet totally corrupted) self-serving business-first politicians, legal eagles, insurance companies and enforced by an equally corrupted police state…..When the shit finally hits the fan all you’re gonna hear is “I was just following orders” and the “chiefs” who gave the orders will never be divulged let alone do jail time. That is the lesson to be learned in the “NEW U.S.A.” Hell, the old and rediculous systems (Government, Religion, etc) are yet being supported by a populus of mentally retarded people….who can’t face the truth.

  3. What really bothers me about this story is the motivation behind the FDA’s idea. They are under political pressure to make changes that the government hopes will rein in Medicare costs. This decision isn’t being considered based on the merits of having prescription drugs sold directly to patients or the safety and/or monitoring issues involved with giving out prescription directly to consumers. IF they really took a look at what drugs could be considered safe to be sold without a doctor’s prescription and then created a safe bridge to the consumer in the form of a pharmacist controlled behind the counter drug class, I could get on board with this ease of access idea. As it stands, the government is deperate to save healthcare dollars even if that means pressuring the FDA into making foolish decisions. This consideration by the FDA is more a testament to the fiscal health of our nation more than a public health or policy proposal.

  4. wellillbe says:

    Look on the bright side,at least the doctors wont have to answer Express scriots DUR faxes if the patient buys the ace w/o an rx and croaks . I mean everybody wins right?

  5. WhiteCoat says:

    There are two sides to this problem.
    First, if patients are allowed to purchase prescription medications over the counter, pharmacists all over the country are going to have another job added to their laundry list of things to complete while simultaneously being expected by their employers to fill prescriptions at the rate of no less than two per minute. For you all, this is going to suck. And … if the patient does develop a serious side effect from the medication, then they will blame the pharmacist because no physician was involved in prescribing the medication.

    On the other hand, I don’t see a problem with cutting out the barriers to patients getting some medications. Using your example, people in Mexico who can get many drugs over the counter don’t have a higher rate of kidney disease than people in the US. http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v68/n97s/full/4496424a.html.
    Let people get their medications (except antibiotics and controlled substances) over the counter. When enough people start dying because they took the wrong dose of medications or mixed the wrong medicines together, then others will begin to see the value in the services that pharmacists and doctors provide.

  6. tech says:

    Your proposed system is great in theory. I wish pharmacists could use their skills like that, but in a society when people can’t be bothered to bring a wallet sized insurance card with them to the pharmacy, do you really trust them to bring lab results and charts? Or do you trust them to only bring you the lab results so that they can’t obtain multiple rxs for antibiotics? Let’s be honest, people are just too dumb and manipulative to have pharmacists be the only check and balance in the system. Plus when are you going to have time to interpret these values, verify, counsel, give flu shots, do various corporate bullshit, and tell people when the bread is?

    I wish pharmacists had the respect to get this system implemented in the community because it makes the most sense and uses people’s skill to the greatest potential.

  7. Techie says:

    Bottom line is that they want patients to pay for medications out of pocket. I’m sure insurance companies are extremely involved in the process. However most of what they are talking about is out there already. Allergy – most antihistamines are already OTC ( most insurances don’t cover OTC ), headache – Advil ( are they going to put ibu 600 OTC? Big fucking deal!). I doubt fioricet will go OTC. Asthma- why was primatene pump discontinued? Cholesterol – red rice yeast , already populized that it has statin. Blood pressure medication – bad idea! Go pick out inie minie minie mo. The computer is gonna decide if pt needs a beta blocker or ace inhib? What else? Antibiotic? Maybe not a bad idea, but how can you trust a person to figure out where the infection is? Or computer is gonna perform a strep culture test? We can’t trust a patient to remember his sons date of birth or tell us what kind of cough he/ she has and we gonna let them answer the questions correctly? But we all know better. It’s gonna come down to pharmacists doing more work for no extra money. We gonna have to read the questions to them, answer for them and then get yelled at afterwords why they have to pay if they have insurance.

  8. Carol says:

    What a stupid idea.

    *Note: I had a rant of my own, but the above statement was much more concise.

  9. Not Me says:

    Actually, I think the way to reduce healthcare costs would be to make Lortab OTC in this type of environment. Think of all the Medicaid patients who hit up local ERs for Lortab every few days… Make a maximum quantity of 10 per 24 hours or something. It’s relatively safe as long as the patient doesn’t consume too much acetaminophen, and few are really allergic to hydrocodone. I don’t think going to an annual exam to get a lisinopril script is driving up healthcare costs.

    • I_hatemyjob says:

      Totally agree, let’s make percocet available OTC. Trust me this will shut down all pain management and orthopedics clinics. BTW also make adderall avalilable OTC then all crack heads have no complain at all.

      • Telonicus says:

        Fuck it, make methamphetamine OTC. I won’t have to worry about endless PSE logs, lying about not stocking iodine, and it’ll shut down home meth labs overnight.

  10. Me John Big Tree says:

    Actually, when Unicorns fart a big rainbow shoots forth from their (Uni)corn holes. Who says the kiosk is evil incarnate? When I’m burning up, my teeth are killing me and I have yellow-green snot spuing from my lungs, I sure don’t need to waste $130 on a docyors office visit to know I have a BACTERIAL infection. Your rant is a counter conspiricy, covering up the fact that pharmacists are the ones who really wanna be Rxing drugs to patients-just like they do in Washington State. Come on, I mean really; do you really want me coming into your pharmacy and show you a snot rag full of infectious puss just to get a Z-Pac? Besides, Rx med commercials are so loaded full of black box inmfoemation and other shit, us consumers are scared shitless to try and get the scary shit on our own. The mortar ind pistle and count by 5 days are coming to an end. Why? Becaause every bunch of small clinics that forms a humungous health system conglomerate want to control everything. That means getting drugs only from the clinic itself. These mega malls of medical magicry are in cahoots with the insurance and drug companies to cut you, the pharmacist middleman, out of the picture. Go back to school and get that radiographer or ultra sound technician degree. You’ll be happier to be part of the medical profession and at least have jobs. Signed, the Evil Insurance Executive (who is in bed with the clinics and drug companies…. muh ha ha ha ha…

  11. Linda Stoddard says:

    that….”medical providers call the change medically unsound and note that it also may mean that insurance no longer will pay for the drugs” alone should hopefully keep this from happening. I mean, please tell me this won’t happen!!! I do like your idea of doctors diagnose/pharmacists choose the right medication as I’ve come very close to this happening on a number of occasions–at the very least, my incredibly knowledgeable pharmacists have called my doctors questioning certain interactions and dosages and in each and every time, the doctors have deferred to the pharmacists. Could be because it’s a small-town situation where everybody knows everybody, but to me a pharmacist should be held in the highest regard. Just saying…

  12. SnakesOnAPlane says:

    What the FDA seems to be unaware of, is that:
    A – The damned Prescriptioned Medication isn’t like paracetamol that You can take as many as You like without having any adverse reactions (OHHH! Wait a second! liver necrosis… right…) Aspirins out of the picture too… I mean… EVERY DRUG IS DANGEROUS.
    B – I’ll bet that every hypochondriac in the states will get 50 drugs for the 50 illnesses he “has” diagnosed for himself… Interactions might be a problem too.
    C – With bad use of medication comes more wasted medication, more resistent bacteria, more negative drug effects and more cost to the government in keeping these problems at bay. (HMOs won’t lift a finger, i’ll bet).
    In all, I think it’s going to be a disaster in Health management. I suppose there are doctors and pharmacists in the FDA… but they might have some different ethics than the ones we are supposed to practice.
    All the best for you guys!

  13. Mr. Zog's says:

    You are a self-important, condescending, patronizing, pocket protector wearing ball sack. Uh, that’s scro·tum. skroh-tuhm. noun, plural the pouch of skin that contains the testes. I appreciate that this is off topic but it is the first and fastest place that I found as coincidently, I just came from a pharmacy but I digreaa, that is another story, nonetheless I am inspired to finally speak to you fuckers.

    While for years I’ve visited this site for reasons apparantly that begin with “in” – intel, insight, interest, inane, imodium, err that’s im, my bad, & indeed humor oO(oh there are more).. it has just occured to me; this shit isn’t funny.

    If you’ve wasted your Salie Mae student loan and are miserable, any of you, too bad so sad go fuck yourself. People (me) trust “you”. With our lives. All the while your mumbling under your breath usually about someone’s hair-style makes their face look like a beachball, and I don’t have to point out at what else oO(the obvious, the self-evident, the politics, accounting, the faxes, the forms, the addicted, on & on etc.), while all the while (as are school teachers for example, you are underpaid, understaffed, underappreciated, but I, the one with the prescriptions that add to my years, quantity & quality trust you, as the position that you’re in demands that) “you” as it turns out are no different, or better than the waiter/ress with the side of spit (saliva, for you to good to read spit), or the co-worker that puts the cream in ones coffee (that’s jizm as I’m certain none of you, male anyway, have any sexual experience whatsoever or else you wouldn’t be so angry), or the mailman in the bell tower.

    I have one word for “you” all, angry pharmacists.. suicide. Try it! The world will be a better place. And don’t procrastinate.

    I fucking hate all of you whom violate my trust as if your wearing a name tag, oh wait.. you are, and leaning out a window, oh wait.. you are, with a bag of fries in your hand and THOSE possibilities and probabilities in life. I wish you nothing but the misery you lay claim to, and may it grow expo’nentially hourly. Now, if you will excuse me I need to surf on over to pill-identifier and verify my Lisinopril, Glimepiride, and Omeprazole for accuracy and count.

    Very Sincerely Yours,
    sexwax

  14. Mr. Zog's says:

    Hmm. How many will focus on that I hit two “a”‘s, as they are next to the “s” key, as opposed to the point.. which is SHAME ON YOU! All of YOU!

  15. Mr. Zog's says:

    ..or the “o” left from one of the three ways of 2. I get it I get it, edit prior to submit. Fuck you all still. Oh k, back to the pill identifier, I’ll look some other day the hot water bottle’s (douche) ruling on moderation. Hey, google ‘pill identifier’ it might be of use to some of you dicks.

    • SnakesOnAPlane says:

      Well, sir… regret to inform you that you don’t understand the pressure we’re in nor what we had to study to be at the counter of a pharmacy. We have to make sure you guys (pharmacy costumers and some doctors patients) don’t kill yourselves with your own medication, cause it’s our job. Maybe we might be a little unhappy if we tell almost everyday of our lifes the same info for every drug thats dispensed.
      We are unhappy because people like YOU don’t appreciate our jobs of treating you with respect although you guys don’t give a shit what we say or know unless you get a problem with your medication and it’s all our fault for giving it to you… well fuck that… we tell everyone how to take their medication, we give information on how to treat yourself good and even can manage to see if your condition has improved or not to treat you better next time and yous guys still respect us… NO!
      If the costumers want a medication I’d be happy to give it to them if they give me a proper justification, if not: trust us, we’re the specialists! With this type of deal from the FDA, You can diagnose yourself, take the medication the “machine?” will tell you or other one of your chosing… just remember: pharmacists won’t have a say if things go sour… and they will. Let’s do our job, be grateful we don’t kill everyone for not knowing our shit, and hope that someday when shit hits the fan we’d have something to help you still.
      All my regards for mr.zogs :D and a big f u
      I haven’t violated your trust, did I?

      • Mr. Zog's says:

        Thank you for reading my post, NOT. Not much if any of your un-compelling rhetoric applied to any fucking thing I said. And “I” trust you to read the doctor’s handwriting? God fucking help me.

        Not only do you violate “trust” as a “pharmacist”, you are violating some clean air bill that I know exists, as obviously you are still exhaling. Not only are you sexless, you can’t even say (type) fuck. Go away you fucking gnat, you’ve just been swatted and squashed as irrelevent. Next?

        • Mr. Zog's says:

          & regardless of your comprehension of my post, to complain about your career oO(oh, the pressure) oO(you solid pussy) and not have it be some PRIVATE membership forum UNavailable to the general public (similar to say, as leoaffairs is also available and we get to read who REALLY these people are=high school grad., taller than 5’2″), where we the public can peek in and see, err, read the truth..? Is irresponsible at best! Do you really believe that your target demographic, aside from other pill counters and techs, educate themselves at all and you’re learnin them here? You’re stupid-er than obvious.

          You don’t like your job, shut the fuck up and get another one but don’t put this site out under the guise of free speech and community and information and humor when all you’re accomplishing is providing the information that “you” are no better than the prick that spits in the soup. Period. “YOU” don’t care. That’s your whole point purpose reason and rhyme.

          & it occurs to me, and let me disclaim this by stating that you have no clue my demeanor out in the world.. I don’t litter, I never pass a dog without a pet, I never pass a child without a smile.. I am the best man I know. Kind, please and thank you, patient, your wives and g/f’s would get wet at knowing that I actually exist.. all that said, I have NEVER had a positive experience with a pharmacist or a cop. Even if he is directing traffic around a parade and I drive up and by with a smile he/she is still a piece of shit with attitude. Even if I wait in line to drop off or pick up or consult, with a smile on my fucking face not bothered by squat, and begin the verbal intercourse with “damn you guys are busy and walgreens has you completely understaffed” or “damn what an unappreciative asshole that so & so was..” or “damn it’s not your fault insurance won’t pay for that until the 23rd” what “you” fucking people reak of is that I am bothering you because I DARE be a customer, how dare me have a prescription! I actually smell that on “you”. Oh, and don’t get me started on if before I leave the pharmacists’ area I discover an issue, like an undercount, & it’s a schedule medicine. We’ll save that for another time.

          What I really want, is not you “snakesonaplane” (and what a gay ole’ happy handle that is) oO(ha! I got ‘gay’ in there), as you are less than a yawn, I’ll cut a promo on you every time. I can out think you, out fuck you, and beat your ass if you were breaking into my house. No, what I want is THE angry pharmacist. You narcissistic urine stain. Let’s move this into an article on why and why not this site should be available to the public, as opposed to a private community of and for your ilk to share your ‘war’ stories and discuss kiosks. My guess is, yeah, your shift and this site are your whole life.

          You’ve entertained me, true enough, but then *ding *ding *ding* it’s all occured to me. You are a piece of shit. You see, I appreciate what people are and are like when they believe noone is watching. That’s a true ruler for which to measure ones character. And only you and God know. So, this site is sorta all you malignant tumors sorta anonymously thinking that noone is watching. It is your true selves. It is a private mirror. Of course, and in actuality, in real life, my participation in this is excluded from that formula. I am NEVER hateful. It’s only because you’ve allowed the world to know what a piece of shit (notice that’s the repeated derogatory) you all are, when you’re not supposed to be. YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. You should all be ashamed. Period. So I’ll fight fire with fire for the greater good, I will though stand by, “this isn’t me” praying for your natural deaths, or self imposed. It’s not in my character. It’s not in my heart.

          Oh, and dick in a plane, yeah I see that somewhere you actually typed “fuck”, so don’t feel the need to defend your prissy honor.

          Lastly, you taints don’t spell or grammar check so neither will I, *click submit.

          There’s this pirate, and he has this steering wheel attached to his crotch. So, he walks into a bar and passed the bar and the bartender points and says “hey, you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch”. And the pirate says, “aargh, and it’s drivin me nuts!.

          • SnakesOnAPlane says:

            In my defense i claim to be not american nor english, so thanks for understanding at least that you brilliant detective you :)

            How come We pharmacists can’t bitch and whine like the rest of mankind? You’re telling us all that about we being EVIL!!!(Oh Lord, they came to take me!!), actually I might believe You’ve had some pharmacist with a bad day (ain’t that his luck, since we aliens can’t feel shitty for our loans, car problems and wanting some vacations) but thats a reason for hating and distrusting every single one of us? You acted all-self-righteous and full of reason when you can’t see us as your fellow man, all the more we try to help You even If We feel like shit. :D We are the anti-christ? Spare me Your frustations cause I don’t need to defend my “prissy honor” from You… If You violate the honor of anyone you’re violating your own. We should only feel confortable telling people off if we can tell ourselves off… I believe You hadn’t thinked of that before.
            By the way… If You hated this blog so much, i’ve heard ignorance is bliss… consider that, and don’t come to this blog.
            And I apologize to YOU, for making wrong judgments on your character, sometimes that happens and You might have some on me. I also believe i’m a nice guy, the best friend my friends have, and i also don’t litter, curse at people on the streets and be a douche to anyone. So… If we have so much in common… Why the hell can’t you understand that some pharmacists are good guys and others are bad (LIKE ANYWHERE AND ANYONE IS).
            Don’t hate the players, hate the game :)
            We can be hateful, but not in front of you guys(costumers) since it’s not the correct thing to do, if you misjudge us by coming here and getting a mental trauma, how can’t you believe we’re like regular people with a regular job? … too bad.

            Nice pirate joke :P

          • Mr. Zog's says:

            On further review, no. I quit. If anyone reads these, cryptic or riddle as they may be (because jesus that one reply had absolutely nothing to do with anything I attemted to say, attempting to make a point), if anyone figures it out, awesome.

            Bottom line is most of you should be ashamed of yourselves and I can not comprehend in the depth and width of my mind how you can look in a mirror or sleep at night (some of you, day). I have this disease, it’s called a conscience, and this no matter how correct I am and passionate is uncomfortable to me.

            So, what does this mean? That I’ve lost a website I visited once in a while for a laugh, because it occured to me that nothing on here is funny. It’s sad. Tragic even, if not pathetic. I regret the venom and the suicide and etc., I take it back, if “shame” applies to you, you are sick and all I have to say is God Bless You. I won’t be back for my laugh yipee yay who fucking cares. Not any of you, certainly. Have a great day!

            • Mr. Zog's says:

              Way to make it appear that I was replying to that reply. I wrote the above, 24 hours prior. The “on further review”. Not only are you a dick, you want to put a spin on my nevermind as if I was put in my place. ..if it makes you feel better.

              Something, my inner dialogue, made me come take one last look as you’re suspect to begin with. And, now I have. Cya. You have my email address if you want to take me up, and I didn’t surf here to comment on an anonymous proxy.

              • Mr. Zog's says:

                P.S. SOAP, you don’t think THIS SITE is in front of “me” “customer”? You’ve made my point, although you just don’t know it. And take all of those smileicones and shove them up your arse. Or, ass as it’s said around here.

  16. Dr Phil says:

    Why not get the doctors to dispense the medication instead, cut out the middle man? Might be a nice little earner. The answer to that question is the same as “Why Shouldn’t pharmacists write prescriptions?”
    (MD and PhD (Chemistry)

    • Sofia N. says:

      They already do this, they’re called “samples”, and they should be illegal. It does nothing but confuse the hell out of the patient.

  17. Dr Phil says:

    In Addition:
    That said – I think 10mg Simvastatin should be scheduled as a Pharmacy only medication, probably the OCP for under 35s as well, perhaps 20mg Omeprazole … any others?

    • I_hatemyjob says:

      Well, there is a lot of more should be on the list to be OTC, such as vicodin, Norco, percocet, Oxycotin, Adderall, Methadone, any not mentioned C-II. I am sure it will reduce 99% of visits to pain management clinic and so-call urgent care

      • PensiveAnesthetist says:

        Oh sure it would do tons to divert masses away from overuse of ‘urgent care’ and PM clinics. Divert them on EMS Bus and Airlines direct and non-stop to the ER for the lucky ones, and for the unlucky, continuing on to layovers in the morgue, undertaker, and a final destination of oblivion. Lovely times indeed! Might as well include C-III – CV for party favors and kicks! /sarcasm

    • TexasPharmacyChica says:

      Statins are pregnancy category X, so NO to that one. Omeprazole is already OTC. OCPs – no, but maybe a hybrid class? If a patient is not doing well on one, RPh’s could switch pt to another as long as pt goes in for yearly pap smear, rx is good for one year, no matter which one? Some patients do well on monophasics, other better on triphasics.

      While we are at it: DAW 1 on any prenatal vitamin is the proof of the drug rep manipulation you wrote about…..especially if my tax dollars are wasted on it.

  18. […] be in imminent danger if they are allowed to self-prescribe? I doubt it. The Angry Pharmacist has a different take on the matter (read the post from behind a blast shield because it is rife with f-bombs). He believes that […]

  19. Telonicus says:

    People can’t decide between which kind of Tylenol they want, and think the color of their cough drops change their effectiveness. Why the hell should we expect them to understand the implications and precautions to be had in regards to BP and cholesterol meds?

  20. Sonny Chiba says:

    …wow. You need help

  21. rphtothestars says:

    You fucker. How do have the time to watch DR Oz and drink coffee ?

  22. Jesus Gonzalez says:

    Being a druggist is soon to be an obsolete profession. YOU ARE THE MIDDLEMAN! The trend is to cut the middleman out of the picture. Drug companies pre-package meds, machines to automaticalloy count and fill drugs, drug vending machines in the ER, mail order Rx, yea, I see the writing is on the wall. Pharmacists converting to become CNAs or hosspital valets is the trend o’ the future.

    • Sofia N. says:

      Except it’s illegal to dispense a medication without a pharmacist present. Retard.

    • JayBird says:

      And who, may I ask, are you going to trust refilling these so called vending machines? If it’s up to the insurance companies it will be the one who does it cheaper. Good luck with that. And if it is filled wrong, good luck calling the 800 number on the machine and speaking with someone from India who will get the correct medication to you in a week or so. I hope I’m not around to see that!!!

  23. Jesus Gonzalez says:

    Jesus loves you, man!

  24. PensiveAnesthetist says:

    Out of professional curiosity, why is it that so many RPh’s deem themselves “Vicodin Police”? I am a healthcare professional and quite familiar with the rampant Rx abuse and fraud, but I am also a patient who has been screwed over by RPh’s. I’ve noticed this is much more common with those holding a BScPharm than compared to a PharmD. For instance, I have a chronic condition which requires opioid therapy. Multiple times following submission of a valid and timely hydrocodone script for dispensing at a pharmacy, BScPharm RPh’s have refused to dispense the C-III. On one occasion I requested a refill of Norco 10/325 #30, but was only able to get half (15) of the script (Sig Norco 10/325 t PO Q4-6 PRN). Several days later when I attempted to get the rest of the partial fill, the RPh stated that the 15 I had received 2 days prior was to last me 15 days, and I would need to wait a 15 day period from the date of the partial fill. Now why would 15 Norco be intended to last 15 days, with specific Sig Q4-6? The way my math comes out, the 15 Norco should last between approximately 1.5-3 days if taken Q4-6. As a professional I am quite opposed to Rx abuse, but that doesn’t mean that RPh’s should act like they are Nazi Gestapo towards someone like myself with valid scripts, valid pathology warranting them, and a colleague in healthcare to boot…

    • Jeff says:

      If your condition is chronic, why is the Dr. only prescribing a relatively short (5 day) supply of the medication with refills? There really is only one reason why your treating Dr. would do that. He/she is trying to limit your access to the meds because they don’t trust you with a month supply.

      Being a “healthcare professional” and knowing some terminology does not exempt one from being a crackhead.

      P.S. How do you know which RPh’s have a B.S. and which have a Pharm D?

    • Sofia N. says:

      Hey genius. Read your rx the next time you get one. When it says “take 1-2 tabs every 4 to 6 hours FOR 30 DAYS”, that means I cannot dispense more than whatever the quantity is less than every 30 days, whether it’s for 20 pills or 200 pills.

  25. sumotoad says:

    In fact, Jesus was going to be a pharmacist. But he got nailed on the Boards…

  26. pharmacyslave2000 says:

    What the hell is wrong with this “Mr. Zog’s” character? I’m hoping that those ridiculous, disjointed rants were sarcasm. “I’ll cut a promo on you every time”? Who are you, fucking Hulk Hogan? You need some meds. my friend. Maybe you can get them from your local kiosk.

  27. Sofia N. says:

    I absolutely hate reading your blog. You complain a lot and don’t do anything about the horrible situation the profession is going through. I’m glad I work for a company that cares, and things are going to change.

    • Nikki says:

      Sofia N. No one forces you to read the blog and No one really cares that you hate it. Obviously you must be a new grad or work for a pharmacy organization since you claim to believe you ‘work for a company that cares and things are going to change’. Were you on xanax when you wrote that or some hallucinogenic, psychotropic sustance? The only way things will change is if the profession as a whole speaks as one voice. The profession is more splintered than a tree struck by lightning–if you haven’t seen that google it or find a video on youtube. And, he is right about PBMs (you don’t work for ESI whose CEO believes all a pharmacist does is count by fives, put pills in a bottle, and slap a label and lid on it, do you?). I’m not only a PharmD but a ESI insured patient as well and have seen both sides of the Evil Self-righteous Idiots–oh did you know Tricare-the military veteran’s insurance–is going to raise copays again??? So basically the verbal contract my husband was given more than 26 years ago when he decided to defend your rights and TAPs to freedom of speach means nothing to the federal government who has turned a blind eye to the veterns but makes sure that the federal employee’s insurance program (which also insures your congressional and senate representatives) allows our ‘public servants’ to see any doctor they want (including specialists) and get any med they ‘need’ without a prior authorization (hope you know what that means). I got into pharmacy because my daughter became part of a FDA trial to approve a orphan drug that 50 (yes fifty) people in the USA are on.

      Sorry for not being supportive or understanding, but everything he says is true. Hospitals, and their organization, think that pharmDs without a residency are stupid and that those who work in retail must be idiots. That is far from the case. Retail pharmacists are the first line for the tight wads who don’t want to pay a copay to their MD but want us to diagnose whatever nasty skin disease (so far I have been flashed twice this year so that I could see what I don’t want to see) they have or suggest an OTC for the aweful eye infection they obviously have. We are also the ones who tell MD’s ‘hey, that antibiotic dose for that 8 month old is too high’. So, sweetie, if you don’t like the blog, then don’t read it. Go back to your cubical where you are planning to change the world and let us vent over the idiots who let their medicaid lapse, want us to diagnose their condition and treat it with an otc, and protect our patient’s from MD’s who should not have the right to prescribe if they can’t spell the name of the drug.

  28. Brandon says:

    Future argument: Pt: But the machine gave me this script:
    Me: I don’t give a fuck what the machine did. I don’t believe you have a legitimate medical issue. I am not filling this.

  29. Jfpharmd says:

    I want to write a well thought out reply to zogs post . I don’t know where to begin , so forget it. Your posts are all over the place . I get your riddles , however they are inconsistent . Everyone has a right to vent And that includes pharmacists . Sorry if you don’t like it . I will do anything for my patients and I help many people . But if you are an ass and treat me like a maid , yea I can be a dick . As to my point I will say without riddle , fuck you douche

  30. Silky 1 says:

    I’d just like to say. I am seriously thinking of becoming a pharmacy technician,and I am hoping all the negative things I have just read will not interfere with my dreams
    No profession is free of corruption and problems
    Please people remember why you went into the medical field in the first place.

  31. joseph marconi says:

    Go fuck yourself you pretentious fuck. Your little fucking computer determines 90% of your so called learned knowledge. Do not begin to fictionally rationalized your PharmD. Everyone who knows even the smallest amount about pharmacy can describe your crazed little brain straining at the extremely outdated computer screen that you all use to flex your so-called superior acumen. I don’t recall the last MD who utilized a computer to diagnose my me at any of my PM appointments. Sorry but anyone including a child can fill a prescription with a computers assistance to tell them when a prescription is contraindicated or when the dosage or frequency are incorrect. Your are glorified computer readers. Oh and btw you make tens of thousands of dollars above the average hard working American to stand behind a counter and put pills into a bottle. Suck that.

    • Ha! says:

      Just yesterday, a patient came to my pharmacy complaining of prolonged weight loss. She denied any recent changes in diet/lifestyle and told me her recent medical checkup came out fine. On examining her rx profile I found out she was recently started on topiramate. I told her that topiramate is well known for causing appetite/weight loss and she may benefit from switching to a different anticonvulsant. She didn’t want to do that as her seizure was so well controlled on topiramate. Then I told her about other things she can do, such as eating small portions more frequently, spicing up her meals, and also going back to her doctor to get a presciption for an appetite stimulant. I also told her to talk to her doctor to rule out other causes of weight loss.

      Now, Joseph Marconi, with your macaroni brain can you tell me how a computer could’ve done the same? Perhaps you can tell me if your computer tells you when and how to switch between different opioids. Does it also show you what to do if there IS an interaction between medications? Do you stop the meds? Do you lower the dose? Or is the interaction relevant at all?

      Computers are great, but you would be a fool to think that a computer can replace your brain.

  32. joseph marconi says:

    OH and might I remind all of those troubled by their status as givers of life altering medications you chose to enter into this profession not to help the ill, injured, and in firmed but to make enough money to hopefully prevent you and yours from being subjected to some of the trials brought upon the very people that you serve. It is no coincidence that you all refer to the very people who allow you to earn a living as customers and not as clients or dare I say it “Patients”. I am not a religious person but I pray to all of your holy gods that they strike each and everyone of you down with such debilitating diseases that you rot in your stinking filth for a decade or longer before you are mercifully allowed to pass on. Be wary of those to whom you tell your lies as you never know the lengths to which those that stand on the other side of that counter will go to see to it that you be relieved of your precious PharmD. There are compliance boards that every patient can file formal complaints to and I assure you that all of these complaints are formally heard. The power that you wield can and hopefully will be your own demise. I will personally see to formal sanctions upon any and all of my local PhamD’s who refuse to render fair and legally protected services to myself or others that I will be reaching out to in the near future. I assure you this is no idle threat. Formal grievances will be in your mailbox in the very near future if you continue to think that you know more about the law than your single semester of legal ethics required to receive your fake PharmD.What a joke. I can’t believe that so many believe of you believe you know so much. I gather by reading these posts that the majority of you believe this based on your false belief that you actually earned the grades you received in college. Yeah and I’m the great grandson of Guglielmo Marconi.

  33. bmcandos says:

    What are the differences between your local medical kiosks, and the gum ball machine in the corner?

    -Only the gum ball man is making money

    -less people die choking on their own vomit and saliva from the gum balls

    ki·osk /ˈkēˌäsk/Noun: A small open-fronted hut or cubicle from which newspapers, refreshments, tickets, etc., are sold.

    Synonyms: stall – booth – pavilion -newsstand – stand

    • Silky 1 says:

      In my honest opinion all this complaining is getting us nowhere. Once the decision is made and the bill has passed all the required phases we all loose the professional expertise of a pharmacist.

  34. Jeremy says:

    Hey there, I’m in a bit of a picle and need to ask you something please. My doctor has given my Opana IR pill way to early and I can’t get any pharmacy’s in North Carolina to fill the script. What I was wondering is I could get them done in South Carolina? Have you ever heard of this being done? I feel like a total “CRACKHEAD” but as much pain as I stay in I need these pills really really badly, so anyhelp you go do would be wonderful. Thank You Soooooo much and keep up the great stories, you know I work in the TV/Movie Industry, you I think, would me ONE HELL OF A “PHARMACY” movie WOW, now you have my gears turning….LOL but really thank you soo much, and please contact me back ASAP

    • Silky 1 says:

      I have to say as a consumer and not a pharmacist you will not be able to get the prescription refilled early in any state. Except maybe Florida try checking there.
      Good Luck.

      • Beach says:

        @Jeremy,
        What the f**k does “your doc giving YOU a prescription way too early” have to do with filling it?! If he wrote it out on [example only] the 1st of the month and you are NOT due to have it for another week to 15 days [example only again, in case you aren’t able to understand] it does NOT matter. You cannot fill it, period! Are you seriously asking TAP to ‘help out’ >”so anyhelp you go do would be wonderful”<? Wow, I believe you might have smoked waaaay too much dope with the other Best Boys on the set….

        @Silky 1,
        Evidently you are not aware of the mess the state of Florida is in re their new laws as a result of all the "pill mills". It's hard to get an Rx for any narcotic filled, no matter where you go. I have a brother who is dying from cancer [non Hodgkins T-cell lymphoma] and even HE cannot get his narcotics filled in Florida half the time and he LIVES there, has for the last 30+ years.

  35. Rem says:

    Why not just eliminate the FDA completely? I have been living abroad now for 5 years and managed to actually buy honest to goodness “prescription” (hushed reverance) drugs without spending $150 for a 1 minute drive by doctor visit. I have managed to avoid paying $450 for a single Amoxicillin pill.

    It would be nice if you could, you know, talk to your doctor and then go get some medicine without praying before the baal of prescription compliance. If you stupidly take the wrong thing – you die – and that’s one less idiot in the world. Keeping morons alive is nice in theory, but many end up working for government agencies like the FDA and insurance companies and we now see how THAT worked out.

  36. Me says:

    Not only does Mexico manufacture better medication have better doctors and pharmacist that aren’t uptight. But here in America how the hell do you sue a asshole pharmacist that hates his job when they never have correct inventory and there is no proof they put that medication in a bottle since they are not under survallience? What gives? U know why no cameras on dispensing is so we can’t sue!!!!! So odds are on your side with that one.

  37. Jesse B. Haley says:

    NoHonestly, here’s a NOVEL IDEA! Why don’t we all just revert back to that little founding document called a US CONSTITUTION, which may have at one time prohibited alcohol before being re-amended to adjust for their stupidity, & lacking of education! I’m so sick & tired of putting my life in anyone’s hands aside from my own! I’m sick of everyone having complete control over my life, & my inalienable rights endowed to my by MY CREATOR, NOT BY GOVERNMENT! Everything should be legallized, &, over the counter just as it was prior to 1913 I BELIEVE. correct me if I’m wrong on my date because if am I will admit it. Whenever they started to pass unconstitutional laws in regards to poisonous chemicals! I’m sure all you pharmacists people are all familiar w this quote from a famous Greek philosopher? Too much of anything is a poison, but also in small amounts that poison can thus become greatly beneficial medically? Well, it should be left to the person who’s life’s at risk to judge what they place within their own body, & if it kills the they should be liable. If they’re unsure which poison & which amount to use because they themselves are uneducated, well, then its up to that persons own judgement to say, “Hey, I don’know what I’m doing, maybe I should consult a physician or pharmacist”, but now days they may call it a consultation, however It’s not, It’s forced coercion, because w/o the so-called “consultation”, that person may die of pneumonia! Consultation implies its voluntary, but due to uncalled for government red tape, and inaccessible meds, its called forced coercion. I can no longer myself decide if I want to go to a doc or just go down to the drug store after self education. Self education? What a marvelous idea! Someone can actually properly educate oneself on the dangers and effects of meds? Who would’ve thought! And yes, I’m just as medically educated as some of u pharmacists & Dr’s, and yes I understand what things like Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors do to the human body. They act by suppressingm a monoamine oxidase inhibitor transporterwithin the stomach allowing certain things to pass inside which generally wouldn’t such as so-called harmful schedule I drugs such asr such as me N, N-Dimethyltryptamine, wow, who woildve imagined a dumb ‘ole trucker such as me would’ve ever become self educated regarding organic and inorganic chemistry! Who wouldbevve ever thought wow! Anyways, theres no reason that a general public can’t make an informed decision even when it cones to narcotics & antibiotics. I’m a prime example… If a patient wants a narcotic bad enough they’re gonna find a way to get it whether legal or illegal. Marvel example me. My pain was being inadequately controlled. So just found me another doc that WOULD give me 100mg methadone per day & also a shrink who would supply me with 4 30mg adderall per day because the two a day previous doc gave wasn’t enough. The patient will get what they want regardless & there’s no point in making it illegal period. It’s rsr of all against our founding fathers principles as well as our constitution, which implementwd free will to men & supposed control over government intrusion, which we clearly see didn’t help one bit. Notice the drug wars a failure? Them being illegal anyway is a person violation of the constitution. Here’s a NOVEL IDEA, why don’t u guys fight for liberty and freedom for all, making it all legal, & how about making sure.u guys are there on standby for when an UNEDUCATED person comes along, instead of violating civil liberties & letting some bureaucrat decide our fate. How bout letting us determine our own fate w U guys there to give us pointers. Anything which stands in the way of personal liberties & freedoms is unjust & those unjust people must answer to their creator for taking away anothers God given rights!

  38. Aggie Smith says:

    Happy to see a lot of professionals see through the medical ecosystem. However, the F-words and such are unnecessary and demean the message. Can you find another way to show your exasperation publicly that can be repeated by the smart youngsters and us old folks alike, cause you are on the world-wide!!

  39. Tracy L. says:

    Kiosks like these are a poor idea. Maybe the antibiotics, but i would limit that substantially, I know overuse of antibiotics have rendered some useless for some people. What I have once come across is a pharmacist who THOUGHT she was smarter than my doctor. I have been prescribed clonazepam, 2 mg in the morning, 2 mg in the afternoon and 1 mg at night (that is the current dosage it didn’t start that high), for over 10 years. Yes, generally, this is not for long term use. That sounds like a high dose, but is nowhere near the highest daily dose allowed. I have complicated migraine syndrome and severe anxiety. This is the only thing that works. At one point, I changed psychiatrists just over an office visit billing duspute. I was unhappy to change doctors after several years, but I needed a new one. Psychiatrists have long waiting lists. When I ran out of my medication, an ER physician gave me a 5 day script and referred me to a primary physician (my previous one had passed away). The primary physician gave me a 1 month Rx for substantially less per day when the one week script was up. It was a struggle, but she felt that since she wasn’t a psychiatrist, I should try to cope with less until I had an appointment with a psychiatrist. It took 2 months, and was difficult, but I did just that. I finally got in with a new psychiatrist and he gave me a script for 30 days at my original dosage. No prescriptions overlapped (it is a 30 day triplicate script, not possible where I live to overlap them). Same pharmacy. I go in with this script and a new hire pharmacist tells me she finds it odd ‘3 doctors in a short time’. I tell her the course of events, but she looks at me like I am a criminal. Her own computer would tell her I haven’t broken any laws or rules. NY state triplicate scripts are logged for her to see. She calls my dr, he is in with a patient. He is a one man operation. I tell her to say it is urgent, she never does. I go back to the pharmacy the next day, she is there again, no other pharmacist. She says she hasn’t heard back and won’t call again. I go the third day and the senior pharmacist is there, who been there the 7 years I have used this pharmacy. I’m in poor shape. I didn’t know I felt well enough to leave my house to go and check again. He apologizes. He had noticed the notes in her log and she had never actually followed up they way she should have. He looked further and the pharmacy indeed had the Dr’s emergency cell #. He informed me she was no longer employed there and waived my copay. NO, you don;t have to be police other than knowing state law and glancing at your computer screen.

  40. Lee says:

    I asked three differnt pharmacists for advice on how my 78 year old mother can remember to take her twice a day pills. One told me to put a psti=note on the medicine cabinet and the other two told me to call and reminder her twice a day. We live in the 21st century and there has to be something better. My nieghbor, who is a LPN told me about lifesavingpillbox.com. It is a electronic programmable pill dispeser that makes mistakes impossibel. Cost less than 60 dollars (1/2 the price of on script) and she hasn’t missed a pill in eight months.

    I wish I has been told about this sooner, as it would have prevented tow ER trips.

  41. Nasty bitch tech says:

    So, big, bad, pharmacist fucking asshole. You got all the answers to every problem facing retail, right? You might have been able to avoid all these problems years ago if you have the common sense to get out of the way of your head (big or little) years ago. Don’t get it~I splain~most of you were the geeks of the week in high school. Really nerdy, ugly fucks, right? So you and your size 5 shoe turned outwards at a 45 degree angle get a pharmacy degree and some sorry asshole decides to pay you well beyond what your glorified tech asses deserve. Then some starry-eyed stupid bitch thinks your receding hairlined, green-toothed, pot-bellied ass is sexy because you make 100k plus a year and you wait ’til close, steal a toothbrush, toothpaste, mouthwash and condoms from your employer and bend the stupid bitch over your counting station and put on the performance of a lifetime (you saw it in an triple x film.) Then poof! You’re some sort of hero from a very bad b-rated movie and a star is born (lmfao). Looked at these dumb bitches that fell for this shit and was like, WTF? Do you have to put a fucking bad over his head? EWWWH! Pharm D? FUCKING JOKE. Worked with too many who had to call doctors to recommend OTC shit. This profession is a joke. Within 10 years, all your super-inflated, overrated asses will be out of a job. Brought it on yourselves. Any profession that sees a pay increase of over 35% in a short period of time is doomed for failure. As a group~you’re pathetic. Get 5 of you in a room together and you can’t agree if its Thursday. Stop whining, and start appreciating what you’re sorry asses got, beacuse you’ve allowed yourselves to be fucked for the almighty dollar (that NONE of you are worth) and soon, the trade of “pharmacist” will just be a faded memory (one can only hope) $150/year for a fucking 5-6 year degree? Get the fuck outta here!. Hope I made your assinine ass angrier. This once respected, honored, and admirable profession has been tarnished by supreme fucktards like YOU! Get a life and stop bitching asshole. You should respect what ya got, cause ya certainly didn’t earn it.

    • Denise B says:

      Ok so the pharmacy profession is going to hell, but you’ve got to remember it’s still a profession.
      Anyway can someone tell me where to find the information on why my local drugstore was closed by the FDA or the Feds.?
      Is there a website that informs customers why their drugstore has been closed down?

  42. WLewis says:

    Ya know I use to actually find this shit funny as I do understand where you pharmacists and techs r coming from when comes to blatant abuse and ridiculous attempts at a refill 2 days after u got a 30day supply. But the more I read and the more I hear of pharmacists who will NOT REFILL A controlled substance till ur last pill has worn off is playing GOD frankly and I think its a little envy and jealousy of doctors! If u wanted to be so in control of a patient u should went to medical school. GOT THAT!! You take pills outta packages from the companys that make them and put in your own bottle lets STOP ACTING like this is 1922 and u pharmacists have soooooo much work to do! Whens the last time any of u fucks actually used a pedal and mortar(spelling?) shit 1/2 of u prob wouldn’t know what the fuck that is! Your computer system checks for drug interactions for your lazy asses yet u do nothing but talk shit like the world would end without u boozebrains! Yeah I said BOOZERS cuz that’s the real issue hear u r drunks who have issues with any kinda drug aside from your kettle one and miller lite! Grow the fuck up! Sadly your job can actually be self taught and that’s fact!

  43. joe smith says:

    hy mr farmasitant any hot dog stand can refuse service they don’t have a degree its like he wanted to sell hamburgers like you wanted to be a doctor he don’t sell hamburgs and you aint no doctor

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